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The Single Adjective/Adverb Challenge
This challenge was another great suggestion by M_A_ Granse, who said "The point of this challenge is to choose the wording with care, forcing the writer to find stronger nouns and verbs."
If you're not quite convinced this is a valuable endeavor, here's another anti-adverb quote by Mark Twain:
"Go through your drafts and try to delete as many adverbs as possible. The emphasis they add is often overkill."
Keep in mind that as the judges read through the submissions, we'll not only be lo ... more »
If you're not quite convinced this is a valuable endeavor, here's another anti-adverb quote by Mark Twain:
"Go through your drafts and try to delete as many adverbs as possible. The emphasis they add is often overkill."
Keep in mind that as the judges read through the submissions, we'll not only be lo ... more »
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THE DEADLINE TO ENTER IS MONDAY NOVEMBER 15, 2010 at 4:00 pm.
ANOTHER PROJECT THAT NEEDS SOME HOUSEWORK AND CLEANING UP.
I GUESS I WILL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE OLD WAY OF THINKING AND JUST USE THIS PLACE AS SOMEWHERE TO STORE MY WORK UNTIL FIND MY SPOT.
ANOTHER PROJECT THAT NEEDS SOME HOUSEWORK AND CLEANING UP.
I GUESS I WILL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE OLD WAY OF THINKING AND JUST USE THIS PLACE AS SOMEWHERE TO STORE MY WORK UNTIL FIND MY SPOT.
Wonder who won. I suppose another vote for a new challenge shouldn't be too remiss.
This is has been going on for awhile.
Webook isn't 'dead', just nonexistent. People haven't logged on for like awhile.
Webook can't be dead, since technically it was never alive in the first place.
Webook isn't 'dead', just nonexistent. People haven't logged on for like awhile.
Webook can't be dead, since technically it was never alive in the first place.
scene (noun) setting in a dramatic work, place where something happens.
Did all the winning submissions describe scenes?
To the organizers: Thanks for the exercise. It made me value my words and use them more purposefully.
And, congratulations to the winners, their submissions were excellent.
Did all the winning submissions describe scenes?
To the organizers: Thanks for the exercise. It made me value my words and use them more purposefully.
And, congratulations to the winners, their submissions were excellent.
I once had seven heads.
Inside these heads were seven beds.
I laid in each one, each day of the week.
Some would say I was on a sleeping streak.
Every bed gave me nightmares or dreams.
But all the heads worked as if they a team.
They battled the brutes
and fluttered the flutes.
Until they were all in cahoots.
Now I am left with one lonely bed,
inside one lonely head.
Inside these heads were seven beds.
I laid in each one, each day of the week.
Some would say I was on a sleeping streak.
Every bed gave me nightmares or dreams.
But all the heads worked as if they a team.
They battled the brutes
and fluttered the flutes.
Until they were all in cahoots.
Now I am left with one lonely bed,
inside one lonely head.
What a funny challenge this is. I really like the spirit of it. My interpretation, which could be way off, is that it has been introduced to give us a chance to write something almost exclusively plot-driven.
Everyone loves to read/write luscious and thorough descriptions with a poetic eye for detail. At times, though, to pursue this can both hinder a plot or stifle the implementation of really unique and strong verbs and nouns as opposed to relying heavily on other parts of speech. I like this challenge because it takes us in the opposite direction, which is good practice!
With that said, the rules were maybe a little bit abstruse. To be honest, I almost found them easier to digest before the clarifications, though it was a very limiting parameters.
Anyway, this is my ironically long-winded (sorry; I'm in NaNo mode) and very descriptor-heavy version of an apology for the fact that most of my critiques will be on your plot instead of your adherence to "the rules." Ah, to be a grammarian!
Though I maintain that I really like this challenge. It is getting us to talk about grammar, and I think that is a good thing! Plus, challenges are SUPPOSED to be challenging! The struggle is refreshing.
The thing I've found most helpful is mental sentence diagramming. If you had to do that as many times as I did during high school, you're probably shuddering from syntax PTSD. But basically, there was a subject and an action separated by a line with everything else radiating out diagonally downwards. I just tried to eliminate ALL of those diagonal lines. Dunno if Mr. Clemens himself would have approved, but I think he'd appreciate the creativity :)
Everyone loves to read/write luscious and thorough descriptions with a poetic eye for detail. At times, though, to pursue this can both hinder a plot or stifle the implementation of really unique and strong verbs and nouns as opposed to relying heavily on other parts of speech. I like this challenge because it takes us in the opposite direction, which is good practice!
With that said, the rules were maybe a little bit abstruse. To be honest, I almost found them easier to digest before the clarifications, though it was a very limiting parameters.
Anyway, this is my ironically long-winded (sorry; I'm in NaNo mode) and very descriptor-heavy version of an apology for the fact that most of my critiques will be on your plot instead of your adherence to "the rules." Ah, to be a grammarian!
Though I maintain that I really like this challenge. It is getting us to talk about grammar, and I think that is a good thing! Plus, challenges are SUPPOSED to be challenging! The struggle is refreshing.
The thing I've found most helpful is mental sentence diagramming. If you had to do that as many times as I did during high school, you're probably shuddering from syntax PTSD. But basically, there was a subject and an action separated by a line with everything else radiating out diagonally downwards. I just tried to eliminate ALL of those diagonal lines. Dunno if Mr. Clemens himself would have approved, but I think he'd appreciate the creativity :)
I apologize to everyone who has critiqued my sub and I have not returned the favor. I'm usually really good about returning feedback, but this one is just screwing with my head.
A new challenge has been posted for the One Word In A Thousand group located at http://bit.ly/aL0ziR - the challenge is at http://www.webook.com/project/One-Word-In-A-Thousand-Challenge-Two - in case anyone would be interested in a regularly scheduled, slightly longer, writing challenge.
Cheers.
K
Cheers.
K
This was fun! And challenging! I really really tried to be strict with myself. Hitting 200 words was really a challenge.
I'd appreciate it if a real "grammar nazi" could give it a glance. I really tried to leave out anything that could possibly be construed as an adjective or an adverb, including prepositional phrases, definite/indefinite articles, etc, but some of those guys are just so sneaky!! :)
I'd appreciate it if a real "grammar nazi" could give it a glance. I really tried to leave out anything that could possibly be construed as an adjective or an adverb, including prepositional phrases, definite/indefinite articles, etc, but some of those guys are just so sneaky!! :)
Shana........I have only one word, or maybe adjective, or adverb, or maybe it's a verb?
ROFLMAO!
If he'd been about 4'11 with blonde hair and blue eyes and a sweet little smile (one of those creepy ones that isn't really sweet), he'd be my daughter :)
Seriously, she goes behind her friends on FB and corrects the grammar in their posts. She wrote a whole blog once about the proper use of your and you're, and another on there, they're and their. I could go on, but well, it's rather painful and makes me wonder if perhaps I was secretly used as a surrogate and someone just forgot to come back and claim their ill-gotten offspring!
That was too funny!
ROFLMAO!
If he'd been about 4'11 with blonde hair and blue eyes and a sweet little smile (one of those creepy ones that isn't really sweet), he'd be my daughter :)
Seriously, she goes behind her friends on FB and corrects the grammar in their posts. She wrote a whole blog once about the proper use of your and you're, and another on there, they're and their. I could go on, but well, it's rather painful and makes me wonder if perhaps I was secretly used as a surrogate and someone just forgot to come back and claim their ill-gotten offspring!
That was too funny!
if i have understood the rules correctly, i didn't find it that hard to write... just time consuming.
i did some writing, then went through the dictionary and deleted e v e r y s i n g l e word that was not a noun or verb. took ages :(
then i had to add more words to make it more interesting,.
has ended up pretty intense.
would appreciate any feedback as i haven't come across writing submissions that is similar, so cannot give constructive feedback as am not 100% sure if i am on the right track or not......
bearing in mind that my eyes were blurred from looking at my writing over and over to see if i missed any adjectives or adverbs. drove me insane nearly!
many thanks x
i did some writing, then went through the dictionary and deleted e v e r y s i n g l e word that was not a noun or verb. took ages :(
then i had to add more words to make it more interesting,.
has ended up pretty intense.
would appreciate any feedback as i haven't come across writing submissions that is similar, so cannot give constructive feedback as am not 100% sure if i am on the right track or not......
bearing in mind that my eyes were blurred from looking at my writing over and over to see if i missed any adjectives or adverbs. drove me insane nearly!
many thanks x
I don't know why 1935115 isn't blue. It works with the entire link.
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1935115
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1935115
djpr - I hope your daughter's not really a "Grammar Nazi." I've only seen one . . .
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1935115
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1935115
"The road to hell is paved with adverbs."
--Stephen King
I loved that quote! Maybe this project will finally open the eyes of those who love using adverbs, in almost. every. single. sentence they write. 0_0
Every time I point out the overuse of adverbs in a critique people almost always ignore it.
Stronger, better words, could be used instead guys--and it'll make your writing sound tons better.
--Stephen King
I loved that quote! Maybe this project will finally open the eyes of those who love using adverbs, in almost. every. single. sentence they write. 0_0
Every time I point out the overuse of adverbs in a critique people almost always ignore it.
Stronger, better words, could be used instead guys--and it'll make your writing sound tons better.
There seems to be a lot of focus on the '-ly', which I find very interesting. Especially since some are referencing it in terms of adjectives when '-ly' is comonly associated with adverbs.
Omitting the adverbs is the simple part of this challenge, the adjectives not so much. That's the part where the real grammar nazis will come out as many words can be interpreted as adjectives if one wishes to be strict about it.
My advice, follow the rules but don't get so caught up in them that you spend more time second guessing your choice of words than you do actually telling a story.
Omitting the adverbs is the simple part of this challenge, the adjectives not so much. That's the part where the real grammar nazis will come out as many words can be interpreted as adjectives if one wishes to be strict about it.
My advice, follow the rules but don't get so caught up in them that you spend more time second guessing your choice of words than you do actually telling a story.
This has been the hardest challenge yet for me, and it seems I'm not alone. Even so it I think that my sub for this one is my best work so far. I made some revisions and was wondering if I might ask you all to take a look.
Hi everyone. I've taken a holiday, after looking up Webster's definition, and come back to find that indeed the 'rules' are taking into account 'Aristotle', who Webster usually relies on for his 'rules'. So I haven't got the courage up yet to enter. It's hard enough being a good writer, let alone a grammarian! grin grin. So I'm going to read what you guys are up to over the weekend, and see if I can get it together a bit better regarding the Aristotelian definition. Gee Webook judges, you really are making us think on this one, aren't you? Will I be a better writer, after this one? I don't know. Sometimes it's hard to put more than two words together, especially if they are adverb, adjective......(Dare I use a 'conjunction', or would this modify the adverb and (whoops!) adverb. The big question is - what doesn't 'modify'?
Twain was brilliant, but I think Bierce would have beaten him to a pulp in an all out brawl. -ly is an acceptable method except when it becomes the only method. The Writer needs to stretch and exercise with every effort recognizing that they have not yet wrote their best work.
OK enough of waxing poetic and now a shameless plug, read http://www.webook.com/project/The-Prophet, 6000+ words and my first submission here but not my first dance.
I would covet any comments and critiques, it should go to print in January, fingers crossed
OK enough of waxing poetic and now a shameless plug, read http://www.webook.com/project/The-Prophet, 6000+ words and my first submission here but not my first dance.
I would covet any comments and critiques, it should go to print in January, fingers crossed
Let it be mentioned that I am the last thing from a strong technical writer that you'll find here. I'll also mention that the scientific study of parts of speech is not a strong suit for me, which I don't THINK means I'm any less brilliant, I'm just.....ahem......artistic. Yes. That's it. >.>
Now that we've gotten that out of the way, how does one go about giving feedback to other people when the technical aspect of adjectives and adverbs makes my head hurt? I'm almost of a mind to delete my sub because I feel woefully inadequate when it comes to returning feedback that has any substance at all......
Now that we've gotten that out of the way, how does one go about giving feedback to other people when the technical aspect of adjectives and adverbs makes my head hurt? I'm almost of a mind to delete my sub because I feel woefully inadequate when it comes to returning feedback that has any substance at all......
E-hem, Mr Mark Twain,
Mark Twain, was revered as the greatest American humorist of his age. Respect and all honour to you, Sir. So please forgive this tiny sting (and please don't roll over and decide to haunt my dreams tonight) when I direct the spotlight to - "Go through your drafts and try to delete as many adverbs as possible. The emphasis they add is often overkill." - as advice that actually has at least two adverbs in attendance.
I fail to see how Tom Sawyer or Huck Finn could have become such colourful characters without the odd -ly or two. As a try-hard scribbler and an avid reader, I want to touch, taste, smell and feel everything an author crafts. I happen to love the -ly, passionately (adjective).
No smartarsiness intended. Posted in pure light :D and after a few shots of Schnapps. (I'm so not winning this challenge!) Smile people ;) Perhaps the rules to this challenge aren't quite so stringent after all.
Love and blessings to y'all T x
Mark Twain, was revered as the greatest American humorist of his age. Respect and all honour to you, Sir. So please forgive this tiny sting (and please don't roll over and decide to haunt my dreams tonight) when I direct the spotlight to - "Go through your drafts and try to delete as many adverbs as possible. The emphasis they add is often overkill." - as advice that actually has at least two adverbs in attendance.
I fail to see how Tom Sawyer or Huck Finn could have become such colourful characters without the odd -ly or two. As a try-hard scribbler and an avid reader, I want to touch, taste, smell and feel everything an author crafts. I happen to love the -ly, passionately (adjective).
No smartarsiness intended. Posted in pure light :D and after a few shots of Schnapps. (I'm so not winning this challenge!) Smile people ;) Perhaps the rules to this challenge aren't quite so stringent after all.
Love and blessings to y'all T x
DaisyBug: No offense was meant, I was simply repeating a phrase from an earlier post. My daughter in fact, calls herself a grammar nazi and when she reads my writing, I'm inclined to either agree with her or shove her in a closet :p
Haha djpr =)
very true...
And I absolutely love Pirates Of The Carribean!! Johnny Depp is just so cool!! Lol sorry...
Girl with freakish obsession with Johnny Depp =P lol
Mmmm I just thought it'd be nice to have some clear cut definitions so we know what to follow because I think everyone was getting confused. Thankfully Webook has now put up those much needed definitions =)
I always enjoy the challenges even though I hardly ever enter. Haha
Good Luck to everyone though =)
very true...
And I absolutely love Pirates Of The Carribean!! Johnny Depp is just so cool!! Lol sorry...
Girl with freakish obsession with Johnny Depp =P lol
Mmmm I just thought it'd be nice to have some clear cut definitions so we know what to follow because I think everyone was getting confused. Thankfully Webook has now put up those much needed definitions =)
I always enjoy the challenges even though I hardly ever enter. Haha
Good Luck to everyone though =)
The problem is that many people are very literal and rules-governed. When you have a challenge that centers around - well - grammar, it is not hard to see how those who appreciate details, grammatical and otherwise, would like more clarification.
Grammar Nazi is a little harsh, dontcha think?
Grammar Nazi is a little harsh, dontcha think?
I'm reminded of a line from Pirates of the Caribbean.
"They're not reeeeeally rules, more like.....guidelines."
We're writers. I don't think that Webook is going to judge on the harsh rulings that the supposed "grammar nazis" come up with. We all know what adjectives and adverbs are, so let's just stick with the nuts and bolts. Pretty sure no one is going to lose because someone considers an article an adverb when used in certain context.
In the past there has been a lot of discussion about who won and who shouldn't have, etc., but in the end, writers write. We use our own interpretation and some amazing works have come through these challenges based on an interpretation that stretches the imagination AND the rules.
Winning would be nice, but honestly, this is FUN and it makes us all stop and think about our writing, makes us condense and rewrite and edit, and most of all learn.
With that said I've got a whopping sixty plus words I need to ditch to meet the word requirement sooooo, any help would be appreciated.
"They're not reeeeeally rules, more like.....guidelines."
We're writers. I don't think that Webook is going to judge on the harsh rulings that the supposed "grammar nazis" come up with. We all know what adjectives and adverbs are, so let's just stick with the nuts and bolts. Pretty sure no one is going to lose because someone considers an article an adverb when used in certain context.
In the past there has been a lot of discussion about who won and who shouldn't have, etc., but in the end, writers write. We use our own interpretation and some amazing works have come through these challenges based on an interpretation that stretches the imagination AND the rules.
Winning would be nice, but honestly, this is FUN and it makes us all stop and think about our writing, makes us condense and rewrite and edit, and most of all learn.
With that said I've got a whopping sixty plus words I need to ditch to meet the word requirement sooooo, any help would be appreciated.
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Okay im dying here!
I have no idea of how loose or strict to be with my entry...
and it's kinda confusing cuz no one has any idea how strict the judges are gonna be...
Help!
I have no idea of how loose or strict to be with my entry...
and it's kinda confusing cuz no one has any idea how strict the judges are gonna be...
Help!
This Feedback was...
I can't help but wonder when our friends at WeBook will realize that many here operate in terms of precision and details. They can not afford to be vague.
Someone may submit a piece which strictly adheres to the rules, and may not win. That same person may have been able to compose the winning piece if he or she had used the loose interpretation of the rules. It is a problem.
More clarity would be appreciated, please.
Someone may submit a piece which strictly adheres to the rules, and may not win. That same person may have been able to compose the winning piece if he or she had used the loose interpretation of the rules. It is a problem.
More clarity would be appreciated, please.
I can deal with the adjective thing, but adverbs? Here's a direct quote from wikipedia about adverbs.
Adverbs are considered a part of speech in traditional English grammar and are still included as a part of speech in grammar taught in schools and used in dictionaries. However, modern grammarians recognize that words traditionally grouped together as adverbs serve a number of different functions. Some would go so far as to call adverbs a "catch-all" category that includes all words that do not belong to one of the other parts of speech.
We need a clear, well defined definition of what qualifies as an adverb, as pertains to this contest.
Adverbs are considered a part of speech in traditional English grammar and are still included as a part of speech in grammar taught in schools and used in dictionaries. However, modern grammarians recognize that words traditionally grouped together as adverbs serve a number of different functions. Some would go so far as to call adverbs a "catch-all" category that includes all words that do not belong to one of the other parts of speech.
We need a clear, well defined definition of what qualifies as an adverb, as pertains to this contest.
Once you start to get your head around it, beyond the '-ly' thing, do you notice your sentence lengths receding like those men before they buy their Porche's?
Hugs, TT.
Hugs, TT.
I don't think that Mark Twain would even delete the "a"s and "an"s from his writing. Articles should be fine. I think that WeBook was just going for the basic adjective and adverb rules on this one; you know, anything that characteristically modifies the noun or verb. "A chair" is not any different than "chair"; therefore, I think we're fine.
If articles truly are out, every single one of us has failed. I'd love to know what WeBook's take on that one is.
Hey! CTKevinK - maybe it's not 'that bad'. a and an are the indefinite articles, and 'the' the 'definite' article, as in 'the'-ology as opposed to an-alogy which may be less 'definitive' My guess here. If anything, though this challenge, if treated seriously could surely help a writer become more aware of what he/she puts on the page. Yes? Don't want to get too serious though, there's some excellent submissions coming in!
Well, I didn't have a 'Strung'? book, but I do have ole' Webster handy: He says-
Adverb. A word, that modifies b erg, adjective, adverb, preposition, phrase, clause, sentence.
It is a relation of manner or quality, place, time, degree, number, cause, opposition, attraction or denial.
Adjective, a word which is a modifier of a noun.
It denote either quantity, quality, or extent, or a distinction from something else.
Happy modifying everyone!
Adverb. A word, that modifies b erg, adjective, adverb, preposition, phrase, clause, sentence.
It is a relation of manner or quality, place, time, degree, number, cause, opposition, attraction or denial.
Adjective, a word which is a modifier of a noun.
It denote either quantity, quality, or extent, or a distinction from something else.
Happy modifying everyone!
I just read this in my research...
"Adjectives are words that describe or modify another person or thing in the sentence. The Articles — a, an, and the — are adjectives."
This is getting very difficult. - and I have not yet begun. But for sure a great learning experience.
"Adjectives are words that describe or modify another person or thing in the sentence. The Articles — a, an, and the — are adjectives."
This is getting very difficult. - and I have not yet begun. But for sure a great learning experience.
Wow, not a lot of room for alternate "interpretations" of the rules this time, eh?
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